What did everyone think of it?



I was a bit disappointed that the Cybermen did not kill even one Dalek.



Traditionally in the Classic Series the Daleks are # 1 and the Cybermen # 2 in the monster arena. Surley they could have at least been allowed to can one Dalek



What about the end? The Doctor didn't get a chance to say those last few words... I think I am going to cry :'-(

Too much drama!

Way too much!!!!!



Daleks Vs Cybermen - with humans also trying to battle it out.......and what did we see?

Little glimpses of the battle, with LOTS of scenes of the Tyler family getting tediously sentimental.



What a bloody let down!



Compared to last year's finale - this one doesn't hold a candle to Eccleston's departure (The Parting of the Ways).



Daleks Vs Cybermen should have shown full on battles, we just got full on melodrama!

I must say that I agree with Jimmy.  I wanted to see a full on battle between the Daleks and Cybermen, and all we got was bits and pieces - not too good after waiting so long to see it.



The bits with the Tyler family were overdone as well, as was the farewell to Rose.



Last year's finale was the better of the recent series for sure.



Having said that, Im looking forward to the Christmas special, be interesting to see the Dr without Rose tagging along.



As a side note, Ive been glad that Davies hasn't bought back Davros in his new Dalek stories.  Davies has at least bought back the 'menace' of the Daleks that was definately missing in the last of their 'classic series' appearances.



Dont get me wrong, I loved Davros, but I think having him appear in every Dalek story from Genesis onwards was a mistake - it took away the Dalek 'mystique'.

I was surprised not to see any Cybermen shooting into the Torchwood building and vanishing into the rift.

Thats true - you saw the Daleks go into the void, but the Cybermen seemed to just vanish.  That aspect wasnt clearly spelt out that well.

Good point guys, I missed that!



Perhaps the Cybermen will be back - fingers crossed!!!!!



Seriously though, that is a fundamental flaw in the story, isn't it?



Hey.......and wasn't the whole thing a bit of a let down - Doomsday was more like an episode of Neighbours or Home and Away with lots (far more than enough!!!!!) of Rose Tyler and the Tyler family.

Bloody boring........the battles were relegated to the periphery - more just a backdrop for a very long and drawn out goodbye to Rose.

It was overly sentimental to the point where it really was terribly boring, and I was very pissed off that the 'battle' was just briefly mentioned - more like a glib cursory statement - than the finale that was to mark the ultimate clash between the Doctor's greatest foes.

axelf date=08/10/2006 10:36 : I must say that I agree with Jimmy.  I wanted to see a full on battle between the Daleks and Cybermen, and all we got was bits and pieces - not too good after waiting so long to see it. The bits with the Tyler family were overdone as well, as was the farewell to Rose. Last year's finale was the better of the recent series for sure. Sorry, Axel F., I missed reading your point.............yes, "The Parting of the Ways" was better by miles to "Doomsday". And you're right too about Davros - "Genesis" and "Resurrection" were the only 2 stories where his character were put to good use. P.S. It will be a refreshing break to see Dr Who move on next year from it's current format as the 'Rose Tyler Show' Having said that, Im looking forward to the Christmas special, be interesting to see the Dr without Rose tagging along. As a side note, Ive been glad that Davies hasn't bought back Davros in his new Dalek stories.  Davies has at least bought back the 'menace' of the Daleks that was definately missing in the last of their 'classic series' appearances. Dont get me wrong, I loved Davros, but I think having him appear in every Dalek story from Genesis onwards was a mistake - it took away the Dalek 'mystique'.

I am of the "Davies can't climax!" school. In both seasons the resolution has kind of wandered in, thrown it's bag down on the floor, and hung around mooching spare change. Go get a job, young man! Learn how to be a proper end to things, not just a deus ex machina...sorry. It's not good enough to go on citing "the vortex" or "the void" to magically cure the problem. What for series three? "The empty gap between the author's ears....?"



As script editor, Simon Winstone should make him write a hundred times in his ink spotted exercise book "I will not skip the resolution, it is the most important meal of the day!"

Sorry, Russell, it's not good enough.



But I digress...



I do have a theory about the very different treatment of the Cybermen vs the Daleks. As presented, the Daleks fled the time war in a void ship, creating a dimensional rift between Earth-Rose and Earth-zeppelin. The Cybermen used this rift to flee to Earth-Rose, followed by the Mickey Squad. Instead of physically appearing in the Torchwood tower, they appeared all over the world, first as "ghosts", then solidifying into their good old Cybus Corporation selves. When the rift was opened the final time, we saw the Daleks get dragged back though it, supposedly into the void to stay. Cybermen we only saw fly into the sky.



OK, with me so far?



We saw one Dalek vanish saying it was making an emergency temporal shift, leaving the possibility of picking this up again (unless it was supposed to be the Dalek in Dalek?). There may be a cyber equivelant; all the Earth-Rose native Cybermen. Take Yvonne Hartman, and her duty. Is it possible that they weren't sucked into their personal rift entrances? It's likely that the cyber-bodies were from Earth-Zeppelin, but with Yvonne's apparent rebellion against cyber-control it also suggests there may be potential for Earth-Rose Cybermen remainign, and even overcoming the group. And only showing the Cybermen being thrown into the sky leaves it open.



In all, lots of loose strings for the show or its myriad spin offs to follow up on!

Maybe this is something that the new Torchwood series will pick up on then? - The series that ties up the loose threads that Dr Who doesn't

Or perhaps and less sinisterly, it was simply a post editing error!

This last is entirely possible; muck-mucks who insist absolutely everything must be significant are unfamiliar with the concept of errors, or worse are and are making a bit of one themselves!

The Series 2 dvd box set comes out next month, with deleted scenes, so possibly we'll see what happened then.

Maybe the Daleks and the Cybermen in the void will join a new force to come back out of the void as allies in an attempt to destory the Doctor in a new time war..... that could be a story arc for a whole season heheheh



I didn't mind the sentimental dribble in the final episode too much... it appeals to the girls and assists in getting my wife to sit down and happily watch Doctor Who with me rather than it being a imposition ... plus we can deny the Lord President his opportunity to bat a tissue to his teary eye, can we? heheheh



Still a common theme we can all agree on is the bitter disappointment of the lack lusture battle between the Cybermen and Daleks.



Interesting that the Cyber Guns didn't harm the Daleks at all, it appeared to be one of the Mickey Crews guns that 'impaired' the casing of the Dalek momentarily.



Human technology superior to Cyber Technology? Strange!

A totally different thought:

I wondered why the Doctor placed those handles so high on the wall for them to hang onto... If they had been lower down, they would not have had to swing from them, but would have been pulled against the floor, causing more drag/giving them more support and they may even have been able to rest their feet upon the 'controls' of the void, rather than taking all their weight with their arms. (But, of course, it wouldn't have looked so spectacular!)

I want to see the deleted scenes from series 2!



And Sneb's point that "Human technology superior to Cyber Technology? Strange!"

.......I agree totally! What the heck is going on?  The Cybermen were again treated like cannon fodder (just like in The 5 Doctors)

The Cybermen certainly weren't as menacing as they used to be.



A pity that Hinchcliffe/Holmes didn't try their hand at doing a 'Genesis of the Cybermen' type origin story, I think that would have been fantastic.



For me, the last good Cybermen story in the classic series was Earthshock  -they gave the Dr a good run for his money then.

Can someone please explain the crying cyberwoman... and her blue tears... or the fact that she killer her own... If a cyberman is really a machine with all emotions deleted then why was she still so attached to the Torchwood Estate and why did she cry...

Didnt all of the Cybermen/women return to normal once the void was open?  ie:  everyone who had been turned into a Cyberman had their emotions returned, hence the reason why the Cyberwoman was crying, due to the fact she just realised what a machine she had now become.



Thats my take on it - someone else care to discuss this further?



The Cybermen seemed to get lost in the jumble of a finale I think - great idea, but wrong execution.

We don't know how this cyber group thing works. Are they conditioned to this behaviour? Or does the organic nerve tissue cause this? Why the cybercontroller, how do they decide who's to be it, why did they upgrade Lumic against his feeble protests to fulfil this role? Are they a group mind or do they just conform to the set behaviour?

Perhaps it was ended that way so that we'd all have something to talk about long after it was finished?