you havnt seen much Doctor Who full stop

Well... no... i normally watch it if i have spare time... =(

but i still watch it!

They decided midway through to spray paint the transperant jaws silver, but since it was shot out of sequence it's very noticable that it comes and goes!

I totally agree with Jimmy - Blake's 7 lost its magic when Season 3 started.  Tarrant was an awful character and miscast.



When The Federation was seemingly without its power at the end of Season 2, then the life of the series went out with it.  Killing off Travis was a big mistake as well - the 2nd Travis was the best.



Colin Baker was pretty hammy in his role in that show - even worse than Paul Darrow!!!!

No way!



Travis 1 was the best, dude!!!!



Still, I agree with your other points of view!



P.S. The Cybermen looked cool in the 80s - the silver mouths were there for a specific effect. There WAS still something human within all that cyber technology!

Would be very interesting if they did a Blake's 7 reunion movie - which is what I heard they tried to make awhile back.



Speaking of that - Paul Darrow was quite camp in 'Timelash', which was a shocker of a story.  Having said that I reckon it may have worked, had it just been a one off 50 minute story, instead of a 2 parter.



I think the whole of Season 22 should have just had 1 story for each part - like they are doing for the new series now.  JNT missed an opportunity to redeem himself with that one...

Travis 1 vs Travis 2 is one of the biggest debates in B7 fandom...

Travis 2 gets my vote.  He was more dangerous and cunning than the first one.



The first one seemed too weak to me, and put up with Servalan's antics too much.



Travis definately should not have been killed off, big mistake.

I prefer Travis 1. With his narrow chin and toffy inflection he's the SF equivalent of Captain Hook! Brian Croucher does a good thug, Travis 2 is definitely working class boy done good. It's long been speculated that the first appearance of Travis 2 on the planet of the Clone Masters indicates Servelan has had him copied, but it's come out wrong.

Well, Travis 2 did it for me anyway, but I can see why some people liked the first one though.



Now this isn't exactly a goof.....but did anyone here buy that horrid single 'Who Cares'?  that was released in 1985 to bring the program back?



I'd love to know how bad it really is, as I've never heard it!!

I think the fact that it's that obscure is indicative of just how bad it was. From what I've read of it in Dr Who Magazine, they would rather just forget about it. It was made during the time when Dr Who was being slowly destroyed by the BBC and they  (the fans and people whose jobs depended on the show) did "Who Cares" as a cry from the heart - it was an SOS. Do you think the cry of a dying person/animal would be good on the ears?!?

> I cringed the whole way through K9 and Co. - the theme music was that silly that it made McCoy's version bearable (now that really IS bad!!!!!!)



Travis 2 was a punk. A yobo. He wasn't a calculating and evil villain to foil Blake's selflessness. He was just a Sex Pistols reject who wound up in sci fi - though I think that really is Brian Croucher himself. If you see him in "The Robots of Death", "Edge of Darkness" and "The Bill" he always plays hot headed, volatile and uncouth characters. I have never seen him do anything else. And with a clipped 'punky' voice and use of confrontational body language that he always does, I don't think Croucher had the ability to do anything else.



>Travis 1 was not a pussy. Re - watch "Duel" and "Seek Locate Destroy". He was ready to take Blake on anytime, and he had style/personality. NOT like Travis 2 who was just a very angry person - very, very angry. That was all he was. He was not cunning. He was just hostile.

Seriously, compare Season 1 with Season 2 - the ONLY cunning move by Travis 2 was made in "Voice From the Past" - at all other times, he just fought like a punk.



OK - Axel F - I'll wait for you come back!!!!!

I think Croucher's best role was in The Quatermass Conclusion. Bernard Quatermass has escaped a massacre in a sports arena, and staggers out dischevelled to find a "pay cop" in the form of Croucher...



(With South African accent): Teke heem out the beck and shoot heem!

Hmm. I've seen a put togeather video clip of Who Cares with shots of the recording. Not sure about the source or if it includes the whole thing, think it might be on one of the tapres we've had donated.

Well we've got to watch it at the next meeting, AND "Flash Gordon" (the 1980s film)

...........and is there going to be a way to access the special features on my "The Beginning" DVDs???? If so, I'll bring them again - the documentaries are very good.

Travis 2 was much tougher, and had the smarts as well.



I do agree about 'Voice from the Past', he came up with that deception on his own.



The fact that he was effectively a renegade from the Federation as well, after his trial at the beginning of Season 2 - I thought that made him more of a loose cannon, much more interesting.



But everyone has their fave version.  There are even people who like Tarrant better than Blake.....heaven forbid!!!!!!



Brian Croucher seemed to get into the 'spirit' of the series more than the first one.

The only problem this time was that it was school holidays--I'm expecting business as usual next time.

Ive got some friends in the UK called Jake and Aaron and they tell me all about Series 2

Flash Gordon at the next meeting sounds good.  Even though I just saw it, it's one of those films you can see several times.  A timeless romp.



Haven't bought 'The Beginning' dvd set - but I will soon!



The 'Lost in TIme' dvd set was great, wonderful picture quality. 

Hopefully the club will let us watch "Flash Gordon". I'll ask them.



We have access to this really cool projector and screen - great picture (but the sound quality could be better - well you can't have everything!!!!!)



Hopefully we will be able to watch the documentaries from "The Beginning" boxed set - they're very good!



> I though "Lost In Time" was a bit of a let down. "The Moonbase" was a classic and it's a damn shame that that story doesn't exist in it's entirity. But I think "the Wheel in Space" was a let down. The Cybermen looked silly and they were stupid and cumbersome. Do you notice how they always rock back and forth when they talk - that was supposed to represent them talking. That was just plain silly!!!!!

> "The Web of Fear" - a bloody fantastic story!!!!! Part One is enough for me to say that!!!!! I've watched the telesnaps with soundtrack of the rest of that story and I loved it. Together with "The Mind Robber" and "The Invasion", that has to be the best Troughton story. I really liked Professor Travers, and the action/hooro of that story was well done (Good old Douglas Camfield's meticulous direction again!!!!)



> As for "The Space Pirates" - what a load of rubbish!!!! I was only watching some episodes from "Lost in Time" last night, and I thought that episode was absolutley awful. Hard to believe that Robert Holmes could write such a load of rubbish. An illiterate preschooler could have done that! Pirates in space with fake American accents talking about psace ships with incomprenhesible names!!!! It was silly, camp and terribly boring. Definitely the ewakest likn in Troughton's last season.



> then there's season 5 - which I consider to be Troughton's best. However, the weakest link there was definitely "The Enemy of the World". Good thing that was destroyed! The over the top acting that Troughton used (oh, and that silly voice!!!!) when playing Salamander was terrible and showed a side of Troughton that lowered my opinion of his abilities. He was a very good Doctor, and he's a great actor (remember him in "The Omen"?), but the way he played Salamander was that bad, it was embarassing to watch! And that Australian cook!!!! The lines they had and the acting were 'C' grade - worse than a 1950s 'B' grade movie!!!!

It was a good job that they destroyed "The Wheel in Space" (remember that scene when the character gets attacked by Cybermats in part three and he was spraying them with foam - just watch his acting and his facial expressions - bloody atrocious!!!!), "The Enemy of the World" and "The Space Pirates" - good riddance in my opinion.

> However, it's a travesty that the other Troughton stories are gone! "The Evil of the Daleks", "The Web of Fear", "Fury From the Deep" and "The Faceless Ones" were all classics, and I wish I could have watched them.