Well, we are well into Ghost Light now Jimmy,,, and I am so confused... but what do you think of it???

To quote Led Zeppelin, "I've been dazed and confused for so long it's not true........."

..........And with the Mc Coy years, I've been befuddled, and also really pissed off.



Still "Battlefield" is clearly the best.



"Ghost Light" - now that was a real let down!!!! Great ideas, but the acting was terrible...........and how on Earth can EARTH BE THE ONLY PLANET THAT HAS EVOLVING LIFE!!!!! Light couldn't have catalogued many planets could he, unless of course, Jesus is right...........;)



"The curse of Fenric" - could have been a really good story, if it wasn't 'the Ace show' - They should have just made it "Ace Who?...and The Doctor"

I must depart from your judgment on Curse Of Fenric Jimmy It was by far the best of the Season and McCoy's 2nd best, after Remembrance of the Daleks Even with the concentration on ACE, the Doctor still played the main stage and the acting of all the cast overall was quite good with some reasonable special effects thrown in as well It was suspensful and kept you thinking until the end... even with some parts where you geniunely thought the Doctor may have meet his match...It would have been far better to close off the Season with Curse of Fenric rather than Survival.



The only thing I really liked about Survival was the cats When the Master whipped the Doctor back to the Cheetah Planet and then the Doctor escaped.... how did he escape? His home planet was not Earth? All along did you only have to say..." If we fight like animals then we'll die as animals? " to escape the planet? I don't understand I am confused.... if only they new it would have been the last story maybe they could have jazzed it up a bit more. Made it a 4 parter as it seemed a bit rushed in the last episode. Your thoughts McJimmy?

I agree with you about "Survival". Maybe if Mc Coy clicked his heels together and said "There's no place like home" over and over again he have got back to Gallifrey



"Survival" was not a good way to end the show (except for the Doctor's final whimsical speech as he and Ace walked off together - that was nice), but as I've said so many times before, Nathan - bloody - Turner and Cartmel were on self destruct throughout the whole of the McCoy years.



Now as for "The Curse of Fenric", I agree it was a good idea, but I couldn't stand the cliches. Communists and individulists (libertarians/Western allied forces) learning to work together (Ace's realisation that the black and white pawns come to work together in order to win) is just so naive........it was just a blatantly obvious part of all the late 1980s propoganda for bringing the East and West of Europe together to end the Cold War. The Russians in that story were badly portrayed stereotypes, and the girls going on about "baby dolls" made me cringe.........and then there's Ace symbolically purifying herself in the water when she comes to terms with her family.........that was just too dramatic and contrived for me. Dr Who has never been so cliche/soap opera before or since it was the Doctor and Ace show...........



OK........I'll just wait for the retaliation in defence of the McCoy/Sophie Aldred years!!!!!!!

There's a theory about the Cheetah People planet in Survival--if the Master was undergoing the change, why couldn't he teleport away? He couldn't get home because he'd renounced Gallifrey? Or his home was his TARDIS, which he periodically trashed? Or most radical of all, the planet *was* Gallifrey?



As for the Doctor his escape isn't made clear. He travels back to Perivale next to the TARDIS. Is the TARDIS his home? Or is it Earth? What makes a place home?

Home is where the heart (of the TARDIS?) is.

"Survival", like most McCoy stories made little sense. It was also very hard to watch due to it being so unsatisfactory.



These theories about the Cheetah People's planet are interesting, but honestly, my Doctor Who collection and knowledge will omit the McCoy years. They were just too dreadful to even acknowledge.

There is nothing wrong with the McCoy Era. Who siad Dr Who ever had to make sense, when you making up plantes history as you go of course they going to be confustion.

The McCoy era tends to be the next most cannonically controversial next to the movies (including the 1996 "Enemy Within"), and other media such as audios, books, collectible cards...

If you wish to strike it from cannon, so be it. It's those who affect this stance but then keep coming back to criticise it in microscopic detail that are the worry!

what???

A lot of the stories in the McCoy Era were bad, but not bad enough to strike them from Canon Just because we dislike what JNT has done doesn't mean we can amputate it from Doctor Who Series. As the 9th Doctor said, time is in a state of flux, always changing. This means that Doctor Who never needs to make sense, because history is always changing



Let's just hope it changes enough that Greatest Show in the Galaxy disappears from memory heheheh

what canon? you don't like so you want to shoot it out of a canon? or you want to bless it so you will cononize it? or you need to photocopy or take it's picture with an canon?

Cannon--literary term referring to a body of work by an author. We are using it more in the sense of a recognized body of work, as A) Who is not by a single author, and B) if it was they'd have "issues".



It's common enough to hear people say "the novels don't count" or "the audios aren't real", less common to hear people writing off the 1996 movie or the new series, but I've never heard anyone decide the Hartnell era isn't real Doctor Who or "I don't hold any truck with that thar new fangled Hinchciffe nonsense". That sort of thing.



The only regular episodes from the 1963--1989 series I've heard people dispute the canonical worth of are the McCoy ones.

in saying that who says that hartnell was really the first doctor or that eccleston is really the ninth. with the others we saw the regeneration but with these two you don't know do you?

Whoa.........!

Y'all are on fire over this one!!!!



Regardless of your emotional state, Lord President, I still insist that the  McCoy era should be removed from the annals of Dr who history. It was disgracefully bad televsion - from MY point of view!



Must say that I agree about the contentions concerning whether Hartnell really was Dr Who number 1 - but it is verified when he meets his 5th incarnation and says "So there are five of me now!" The Doctor should know, so I guess by that statement he was "The original!"



..........still we don't yet have evidence to definitely say that Eccleston is the ninth..............

Opinions have been divided. The Brain of Morbius is the prime example for pre-Hartnell Doctors.

The Camfield Doctor appears in Cold Fusion.

In "The Brain of Morbius" we see The Doctor's incarnations from Pertwee to Hartnell, nothing more, when he has the mind wrestle with Morbius.So what do you mean?????????



And who on Earth is the 'Camfield Doctor'????

If the Brian Of Morbius mind wrestle was admissible... wouldn't the Doctor have used all his regenerations by now?



Also, in Day of the Daleks when there was a mind probe on the Doctor it only went back to Hartnell?



Also, the Ninth Doctor says he is the only Timelord left (all the others must have been destroyed on Gallifrey in the Timewars) I was just watching the Hartnell Years last night... and there was Susan... isn't she a Timelord? Wasn't she lefton Earth at the end of the Dalek Invasion of Earth???? Therefore wouldn't she still be alive????





AHHHHH!!!! All these questions!!!!



Now Jimmy, surely you would consider keeping Remembrance of the Daleks from the McCoy Era?



I get the Tenth Planet soon I hope it is as good as the reviews say it is

The Doctor and Morbius are having a mind battle. We see the previous Doctor's faces as Morbius intones "Back, back...". After Hartnell, we then get another eight faces; Philip Hinchcliffe, Robert Holmes, Christopher Barry, Douglas Camfield, George Gallacio, Robert Banks Stewart, Chris Baker and Graeme Harper (no I'm not making this up) wearing discernible period costumes. Camfield is waring a velvet jacket and cravat.



The obvious thing to say is that these are Morbius' past incarnations, however the Doctor was loosing the battle at this stage, and the intent of the production team was that these were previous Doctors.



So, defining his mortality with "12 regenerations" in Deadly Assassin wasn't enough, they also wanted to be him and help finish him off!

Heck, I really thought those were supposed to be Morbius' incarnations!!!! If what you are saying is 'true', the Doctor is dead - or should be!!!!!



Sneb has made a good point about Susan - but there is also the little bloke from "The Armageddon Factor", Romana and K'anpo........oh, and The Master.